没有球队可以用勇士的风格去击败勇士？是篮球理念先进还是天赋碾压？

Kobe Bryant: 'You Can’t Beat Golden State By Playing Golden State-Style'

科比：“没有球队可以用勇士的风格去击败勇士。” [好文分享：www.ii77.com]

[–]ThunderjoegrizzyV 86 指標 9小時前

OKC laid the blueprint for how to beat them. But then uh....well...they stole our best player so....

雷霆球迷：雷霆已经描绘好了击败他们的蓝图，可是，呃，我们最好的球员被他们挖了墙角，然后。。。结果你们都知道了

[–]Lakersbengalisocks 124 指標 8小時前

It depends on what you mean by their style, but unless you have a generational big man, a switch heavy system seems the best way to beat the team. HOU laid out a blue print, and while I don't think you need to be as reliant on the three as HOU, I still think you need to follow modern principles of stretching the floor and switching.

这也取决于大家是如何理解勇士风格的，但是除非你拥有一个划时代的大个子球员，否则目前看来对付他们最好的方法就是无限换防。火箭也画好了对付勇士的蓝图，但我认为其他球队不该像火箭那样过分地依赖三分球，我始终认为各队应该遵循现代篮球中拉扯空间，无限换防的理论来对付勇士。

[–]Rocketsbauboish 131 指標 4小時前

Honestly I've never felt that Houston had the same style as the Warriors.

Warriors move the ball a lot. Houston almost never passes.

Warriors run up and down. Houston slows the game to a crawl.

Warriors play egalitarian "everyone touches the ball" Rockets play "Harden/CP3 gets the ball everyone else space out and stand there."

火箭球迷：说实话，我从来不觉得火箭跟勇士是一个风格。

勇士每场都有很多次传球。而火箭几乎不怎么传球。

勇士的比赛忽快忽慢。而火箭会把比赛节奏拖的跟爬一样慢。

勇士玩的是平均主义“所有人都能摸到球”。而火箭是“灯泡组合掌控球权，剩下的人就拉开空间好好站着就行了”。

Warriors have half a roster of centers. The Rockets focused roster building on guards and wings.

I think a lot of times people just misunderstand philosophy with talent. The reason people can't beat the Warriors because they have a lot more talent than you.

勇士阵容里有一半都是中锋，而火箭热衷于囤积后卫和锋线球员。

我认为很多人把天赋和篮球理念搞混了。其他球队打不过勇士并不是因为什么篮球理念的原因仅仅就是天赋不如他们而已。

[–][GSW] Draymond Greenjthc 49 指標 4小時前

Defensively we're similar, but offensively we're on different planets. It does go to show that there are many ways to run an effective offense.

勇士球迷：防守上面我们是很像，但是在进攻端的完全不是一个风格。这也确实让大家看到了很多可以打出有效进攻的方式。

[–]Rocketsbauboish 24 指標 4小時前

True on defense I agree the Rockets and the Warriors are similar. Ironically enough that was were the Rockets had the most success against the Warriors. So it turns out being the same as the Warriors didn't do so badly for the Rockets after all.

上个火箭球迷：防守端是你说的那样没错，我同意火箭和勇士很像。具有讽刺意味的是，火箭在对抗勇士上取得了巨大的成功。而事实证明，模仿勇士对火箭来说并没有什么坏处，（反而让他们取得了成功）

In the end I just think people focus on all these random stuff when the simple answer is "more talent wins more often." Take out Steph Curry from the Warriors and they don't look nearly as formidable despite their philosophy. And on the flip side put D'Antoni as coach of the Warriors and they'd still be the best team. It's really not that complicate IMO.

最后我认为，人们总是把注意力放在其他那些随机事件上（比如篮球理念），而打不过勇士的答案很简单“天赋越高赢得越多”。尽管他们有他们的独到之处，但如果把库里去掉，他们看起来也就不会那么可怕了。从另一方面说，假如德安东尼执教勇士，他们仍会是最强的球队。在我看来，这真的没那么复杂。

[–][TOR] Pops Mensah-Bonsushakattack917 45 指標 8小時前

Shaolin shadboxing style

开拓者球迷：我看是少林-罗汉拳风格吧。

[–]Raptorschicogarciamarquez 378 指標 8小時前

the only other way is to clone Larbon Jams

猛龙球迷：仅有的另一种方法就是克隆拉邦-詹斯

[–]LakersSyno_Alkheiser[S] 48 指標 8小時前

I'd eat that

湖人球迷：你克隆出来我就吃。（楼上将james拼成了jams，有果酱的含义）

[–]Warriorscontigowater 26 指標 8小時前

idk the rockets gave a good fight

勇士球迷：我不是很赞成科比的观点，火箭真的已经打得很好了啊。

[–][LAC] Patrick BeverleyTatumBoomedMe 17 指標 5小時前

People sleep on the rockets so much on here, it’s crazy

快船球迷：这个论坛里的人们也太看扁火箭了吧，真疯狂。

[–]Lakerswatdoyoumeandrugtest 7 指標 4小時前

They lost 2 big parts of their defense

他们在防守端损失了两个关键球员。

[–]Wizardslivefreeordont 13 指標 2小時前

Luc played like 5 mpg against the warriors and was terrible thanks to a dislocated shoulder. He was not a big part of their success against the Warriors

巴莫特对阵勇士的时候一场也就是打五分钟，而且由于他肩膀脱臼，表现的也很糟糕。所以他也不算成功阻击勇士中的重要一环。

[–][LAL] Brandon Ingramfriskydongo 100 指標 8小時前

You can't beat them with any style as of now.

湖人球迷：截至目前，你无法以任何风格击败他们。

[–]SpursDuque_Plata 125 指標 8小時前

The Rockets almost did and likely would have if CP3 was healthy or if they didn't have that historic missed shot streak

Everybody here loves to prop the Warriors up as invincible (probably to make Lebron getting whooped look better), but we almost saw it happen at the hands of two stars and a short lineup which is a very attainable lineup.

火箭几乎就要成功击败勇士了，而且如果保罗保持健康，没有出现历史新高的连续打铁，他们应该已经打败勇士了。

这个论坛里的每个人都喜欢把勇士吹的好像战无不胜一样（可能是为了让老詹被虐这件事看起来更好看一点吧），但是我们差点就看到这样一个只有两位球星的小个阵容完成了阻击勇士的任务，而这个阵容很容易就可以组建起来。

[–][NYK] Carmelo AnthonyAdzBoogie 93 指標 8小時前

If Iguodala was playing, it would've been over in 5.

尼克斯球迷：如果一哥能打，这个系列赛五场就结束了。

[–]Cavaliersbenelchuncho 62 指標 7小時前

Luc was very important for Houston and he didn’t play either

巴莫特对火箭来说也非常重要，而他也没打啊。

[–][GSW] Draymond Greenjthc 27 指標 4小時前

I can't wait for the day when we stop arguing over this. Same with 2015 and 2016. Injuries happened. The games were played anyway. The hypotheticals with zero injuries don't mean anything.

勇士球迷：我真的盼望着哪天我们可以停止争论这些。就跟15年16年的总决赛一样。伤病出现了。但是不管怎么样，比赛已经打完了。这种如果谁谁谁没受伤的假设真的毫无意义。

[–]WarriorsMadMax1996 28 指標 5小時前

Igoudala vs. Luc in terms of value to team is not close. Luc lacks Andres vision and decision making on offense, on defense Igoudala is a generational defensive player(yes he is old) with some of the best hands in the business.

Edit: man people here have no idea how important Iggy is to the dubs.

一哥和巴莫特对于各自球队的价值差很多吧。巴莫特在进攻端缺少一哥的传球视野和决策能力，在防守端，一哥有着一双在防守界最顶级的双手，他也是一名划时代的防守运动员（虽然他老了）。

编辑：论坛里的很多人意识不到一哥对勇士有多么重要。

[–]LakersCheppyWire 63 指標 4小時前

It's just wild to me that a team's fanbase can say that their team with four all stars, the greatest shooter of all time, one of the greatest scorers of all time, can crumble if their 34 year old backup small forward is out and that justifies the losses.

湖人球迷：一支球队拥有四个全明星，其中一个是历史最伟大的投手，一个是历史最强得分手之一，而他们的球迷还在嚷嚷着自己球队的失利是因为球队里已经34岁的替补小前锋没有上场，认为他才是决定球队成败的关键。我真的觉得这有点扯淡了。

[–]Supersonicsquite_certain 44 指標 4小時前

It's also wild how much you guys underrate Houston's 17-18 season. Only 19 teams in the history of the NBA have won 65 or more games. Last year's Rockets became #19. The majority of these teams go on to win the championship. They went 4-1 and 4-1 before the WCF. And regardless of how stacked their opponent was in WCF, they were one quarter away from winning it all.

你们这帮人如此低估17-18赛季的火箭也同样是一件挺扯淡的事。历史上只有19支球队在常规赛拿下了65及以上的胜场数。上赛季的火箭成为了第19支球队。这里面的大部分球队都赢得了当年的总冠军。火箭在西决之前是连续两个绅士横扫。不管他们西决的对手有多么强大，他们离赢下勇士也就只有一节之遥。

[–]76ersthefreeman419 23 指標 8小時前

If by Golden State style you mean ball movement, threes and switching defense, I think every team is gonna have to learn to play that way

如果你说的勇士风格就是转移球，投三分，换防的话，我觉得每个球队都得先学习学习怎么按这种方式打球，再说用这种方式和勇士打球的事。

[–]Wizardsireddit270 47 指標 8小時前

The ball movement thing is a myth. Golden State’s defense is designed to disrupt ball movement, so in reality you need elite isolation-heavy players to beat them.

说击败勇士要靠转移球真的是人云亦云的谣言，勇士的防守是专门为了干扰对手传球而布置的，所以现实中想要击败勇士你需要拥有几个精英级别的单打型球员。

We saw that with Lebron + Kyrie’s Cavs in the 2016 Finals, and again with Harden’s Rockets in the 2018 WCF (who have been GSWs toughest test by far) . The way to beat GS is to slow the game down to half court , limit TOs and isolate against favorable matchups.

我们看到了16年拥有老詹和欧文的骑士在总决赛上的成功，还有就是今年拥有哈登的火箭在西部决赛中的表现（这支火箭让勇士经历了前所未有的考验）。击败勇士的方法就是将比赛拖慢到半场中，减少失误然后去单打最让你予取予求的那个人。